1. The ideas that are shared between the cave allegory and the matrix are nearly the same. They both talk the limits of what we know and how we know. They also explore many different types of realities. The cave allegory suggests that if someone spends their whole life on something and knows of nothing else does it in turn actually exist. For the matrix, the people have spent generations living life how even we think it is today yet little do they know their is a greater power that is controlling them and using them for their own benefit. This really makes one think about what could possibly be out there and beyond our reach. Whether or not there are limits to what we know or ever will know are also important things to look at.
2. I agree almost completely with these ideas of reality. Not that someone is controlling us and using us for batteries but the idea that we don't know how much of what we know is correct and we most likely never will. Also as mentioned in the matrix video, even if there was a different reality than the one to which we perceive, most would not want to believe it and many would try to defend their own reality without acceptance of the other. In my opinion it is a question that cannot be solved thus rather than put effort into thinking about it, we should devote our time to other things at hand and answer questions that can be solved.
Good point about focusing on questions that can be solved. I once took the same position in an introduction to philosophy course and dismissed 400 years of post-enlightenment philosophy. Didn`t turn out well.
1) What ideas are shared in the cave allegory and The Matrix?
The ideas shared in the matrix and the cave allegory is that there is another world and another reality outside the one we know. Just because we aren't aware of this other reality doesn't mean it is any less real. In the cave allegory, the prisoners in the cave don't know that they are prisoners and to them, the shadowy images on the wall are the extent of life itself. In the matrix, it explains that there is an ailen world that feeds off of humans when they sleep. Yet most humans are unaware. This idea of having another reality or kind of existance is haunting and challenges our sense of life.
2) To what extent do you agree with those ideas about reality?
I agree that there is something greater than the reality we know. I think that the things that we value in this reality are acutally not important in a bigger reality that we are encompassed in. I like the idea of questioning the world we live in and I think that if we don't choose to question our lives than we are ignorant. Exploring what could be and questioning will lead to our release out of bondage like in the allegory of the cave and The Matrix.
Good observations. I liked how when the one prisoner who went outside came back to the cave and tried to describe the outside world, no one could understand him.
Matrix and Plato’s Tale of the Cave
The Tale of the Cave present in Plato’s most important works and the movie Matrix advocate similar comprehensions of reality. Both the movie and the myth suggest that the life that is lived by one individual is not the totality of what is possible for the living of that same individual. In fact, the works claim that there are several realities that make up the world we live in, as the perspectives of reality of men are correlated to the limits imposed by society and culture upon themselves. Thus, how someone lives is only a fragment of the infinite possibilities they could have of living if they broke away from the invisible and intangible chains of society and culture. In the Allegory of the Cave, the reality of the prisoners is the one presented to them as distorted reflections of the figures that walk by outside of the cave. As one of the prisoners evades the chains that had held him inside the cave for all his lifetime, he realizes that the monstrous creatures he once believed to exist were only the shadows of the real beings that walked by the cave, thus, ratifying the theory that only if mankind breaks away from the boundaries their particular lives impose to them, they can see the world as it really is. Moreover, in Matrix the same theory is discussed as Neo continuously tries to unplug himself from the society in vigor, since he wanted to evade the blind submission mankind had to the system as men gave up their liberties and aspirations to live under the invisible prison of society.
I strongly agree with the ideas advocated by the Tale of the Cave and the Matrix film regarding reality, as I believe that there is a much broader reality than the one individuals are forced to live by. However, the problem is to find a way of achieving such state of “complete” (if there is really one) consciousness of reality, since mankind, in order to live within society, has to blindly accept the onuses and the obligations of the system. Therefore, even though I agree with what is said by the Tale of the Cave and the Matrix film, I believe that this deactivation of the societal and cultural boundaries is rather impossible in the world we live in today, except if people isolated themselves from societal means.
The Allegory of The Cave and the Matrix
1. The ideas shared between the allegory of the cave and the matrix are that one, the human being cannot really know other perspectives on life and two, the perspective of life itself depends exclusively depends on the life that the person have. Both of the stories affirm these statements because the human being cannot really base himself upon a belief if he hasn’t experienced it and that is why the men in the cave were not able to understand that there was life outside and that they were leaving in a completely different environment than usual. In the Matrix, the dilemma is that people do not really know what happens in their subconscious because they have never experienced such things. It is impossible to someone to assimilate an idea without having experienced such moments, and this is the critic of both stories; that the human mind is limited and only capable of acquiring knowledge through previous experiences.
2. I believe completely with the allegory of the Cave and the Matrix, because I do believe that the human being is only able to understanding life to a certain extent, and what both stories try to explain is that our vision is compromised by the lack of information and experience. I agree with this, because I do believe our actions and thoughts are limited and there are millions of things that not only go unseen by us, but are also not perceived by our subconscious.
1. The Allegory of the Cave and the Matrix share the idea that there is another reality beyond the one we know of and that the ones that don't know the other reality exist doesn't make it less real. In the allegory of the cave, the prisoner only believes on what he sees, and as one of them leaves and comes back to tell them the truth they don't believe and think it is unreal. In the Matrix everyone has lived a life that they were forced to believe which actually some of them know that they have been being used by a greater force over generations. This ideas and reality that we leave does not make us aware of everything, we should always be looking forward to discover new realities.
2. I agree with the idea that there is a reality beyond the one we live in. That there is another specie, planet, universe just like ours and that we are forced to believe we are the only ones to protect our society. We should not be forced to believe in what others want us to believe in, we should always look to solve what can be solved.
1. Plato’s allegory of the cave and The Matrix basically share the same principle of the battle of internal reality versus the external world. They both suggest that people’s perspectives are directly limited by the extent of their world. Therefore, the shadows generated by the fire in opposition to the people that passed outside of the cave were considered to be the only reality by the prisoners who had never left the cave and this caused them not to believe in their companion when he told them what waited for them outside. They could not believe in the existence of an outside reality when their internal world was limited to what they saw inside of the cave. The same happens in The Matrix, as Neil refuses to believe that there is an outer world to that he lived in during the day. Therefore, both of them suggest that if you really want to reach the ultimate reality, you need to “go out of the cave” and investigate the unknown, external truth.
2. I agree with these ideas about reality to an ample extent because I feel like even I had already refused to believe in something due to limitations of my reality. Free and protected by the Constitution, Brazilian women often do not believe in the atrocities that are told to them regarding women violence in the Middle Eastern nations, for example. This occurs because they can’t see the occurrence in their society, which could be considered as their “cave”. Consequently, they have a hard time believing in anything that is not covered by their own society.
In both The Matrix and the allegory of the cave, it is possible to see that the characters can only believe in the reality that they have lived in. The characters have not met another reality and cannot believe any other reality that is presented to them. The Matrix and the allegory of the cave share the same ideas that I also agree with. Humans are used to one reality and they are not able to deal with a new reality. Both films show how humans have a hard time dealing with new concepts that were always said to be untrue. As has been shown through history, humans take a longer time to adapt to new things and new ideas. The human mind is so used to one thing and so convinced that they know the absolute truth that they cannot deal with not knowing something, in the universe. Both, The Matrix and the allegory of the cave, show a summary of what humans mind work and how human prefer to remain ignorant rather than admitting that they do not know everything in the world, and that they have a chance of being wrong.
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